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Strange statement by Cardinal Burke

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Salzburger

It is a lie.
The rats did not care a little bit about liturgy - they only cared, how the "mass" could attract the people. Thus making manKind GOD. Pure anthropoTheists (or - with E.VOEGELIN - gnostics) and as such antiChristians.

Mazza La Ragazza

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We could ask the Italian Parliament to appeal to cardinals Burke, sarah and Muller to interpret Vatican Council II rationally and honestly and take the whole Catholic Church back to Tradition.They now interpret the Council like the liberals popes and the SSPX -Lionel Andrades

Orthocat

Not at all... Anyone who lived in the direct fallout of Vatican II in the decade after the Council has experience of smug clerics who - in attempting to foist the "new Mass" on the faithful - disparaged traditional devotions such as the Rosary, litanies, Eucharistic adoration, etc. One famous liberal catholic priest columnist claimed that the N. O. finally gave the Mass "back to the 'People of God'" removing it from the clutches of clerical control. So NO NEED for a devotional life - in fact trying to have one was RETROGRADE! When in seminary I myself [I kid you not] got in trouble for praying the Rosary with my fellow classmates! We were FORBIDDEN to genuflect or kneel in front of the tabernacle, which was only deemed a 'bread box' to store leftovers! It was so bad that under John Paul II & Cardinal Ratizinger an official document called Directory of Popular Piety was issued in 2001 to correct this erroneous view. Directory on popular piety and the liturgy. …

CatMuse

Cardinal Burke does work hard for the growth of the Traditional Latin Mass and is a committed advocate. He is encouraging devotions in daily life in addition, or possibly, sadly, in its enforced absence. Also, daily devotional practises flowed naturally from the older Rite, I assume his "but" indicates a greatly reduced flow after the NO was introduced. As regards the emphasis on the liturgy of Mass post Vat II. That is true, but was obviously a gaslighting exercise coupled with faddishness associated with the Novus Ordo. The fall off in practise post Vat II is proof of that. Happily though priests who offer the Traditional Rite now are usually far better formed in its theology than before the council thanks to the battle of good people against the attack. Also, for those who wish to engage in the liturgy as the gaslighters encouraged, the insipid nature of the liturgy on offer has encouraged not a few to seek out the older Rite and there they find the treasure. God be praised.

V.R.S.

"As regards the emphasis on the liturgy of Mass post Vat II..."
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... that "emphasis" consisted in a blatant attempt to destroy the Roman Latin Rite and send it to the dustbin of history at the same time imposing the main tool of introduction of "Vatican II" novelties i.e. Novus Ordo Missae.

CatMuse

I don't dispute that. However, older priests have told me that they were never taught to any deep extent the theology of the older Mass in their seminary training pre-VatII. They simply learned to say it. In hindsight, I think such lack in formation would contribute to a weakness in the wall of defence. Furthermore, there were many instances of shoddy liturgy that resulted from this lack of formation and a loss of the sense of the sacred and of sin also. No doubt the attack on the liturgy is a punishment, but we have to acknowledge fault where it exists too and amend. I see it like a heresy that attacks the Church. While the heresy is an abhorrent stab to the body, the Church will pull out the knife and raise a strong bulwark of tissue over the wound, similar to the raising of Dogma against the attack on articles of the Faith. How and when is in God's hands but in the mean time the body will and must fight the necrotizing rot.

K R Ross

Emphasis on destroying the Mass more like…; in actual fact, Vatican II was the kick-off of the beginning of the realization, and then the fulfillment of the Prophecy of St. Alphonsus Liguori and of the Old Testament: “the holy sacrifice, because of the sins of men, will be extinguished in the world and cease to exist-the devil will be given power to succeed in this.”

Sally Dorman

There was great emphasis on the Mass, BUT ???? Why is there a but?

Orthocat

The "but" was to put to rest the false dichotomy of "which is more necessary - Mass or devotions (often disparaging labeled "private" as if they are some strange personal affectation not practices approved over the centuries by the Church). Witness how modernist "theologians" cringe that young people are drawn to Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament & the Rosary. These heretics thought these traditional pious customs should have died out by now as silly medieval superstitions.

V.R.S.

In modernism and neo-modernism there is always a BUT.

Wilma Lopez

"After the Second Vatican Council, there was a great emphasis on the Mass, which is wonderful..."

Orthocat

Yeah, more like emphasis on "wrecking" the Mass!

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